chanduv23
02-16 08:49 PM
Tuesday evening would be a Congressional Reception. After that we would have an IV meeting with members to discuss IV next steps etc. So keep departure flights to be late Tuesday night or after. I would highly recommend being in the Congressional Reception. You will get to meet several staffers and lawmakers here and talk to them.
I wish I were there but, I booked my return on Monday. I am glad that IV is doing this event and wish more people come attend the event.
One thing that I want to suggest is - if such a important event like congressional reception is done on last day of advocacy, most people may not be able to make it because many will want to get home and get back to work on Wednesday. This is just my personal opinion and I may not know the real reasons, I am sure IV core have planned things in the best possible way.
I urge people to attend the congressional reception - this is very important. Lawmakers always want to mingle and socialize with minorities and immigrants because they want to know things first hand which are not covered by mainstream. This reception is a wonderful opportunity to mingle with law makers, industry leaders, and other people who are working for our cause.
I wish I were there but, I booked my return on Monday. I am glad that IV is doing this event and wish more people come attend the event.
One thing that I want to suggest is - if such a important event like congressional reception is done on last day of advocacy, most people may not be able to make it because many will want to get home and get back to work on Wednesday. This is just my personal opinion and I may not know the real reasons, I am sure IV core have planned things in the best possible way.
I urge people to attend the congressional reception - this is very important. Lawmakers always want to mingle and socialize with minorities and immigrants because they want to know things first hand which are not covered by mainstream. This reception is a wonderful opportunity to mingle with law makers, industry leaders, and other people who are working for our cause.
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grupak
06-11 11:46 AM
^^^^
songlan
05-17 02:57 PM
Yes, do I-485 yourself, if you see your case is straightforward (not H1B transfer, ...). It is totall doable . We need an attorney for Lc. The I-485 form is much simpler, and, you are independent. Just download the form from USCIS website then follow the instructions. I regret of spending $2K for my attorney. I actually completed the form and they just send it. I recall to see one website they provide the service to check the filled legal forms.
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freedom_fighter
02-15 02:22 PM
To all:
For those of us, who have green cards, we would also like to participate, if we can add an action item to improve citizenship rules. Most of us have waited 10 yrs for green card, and waiting another 5 yrs on top of it is too much.
Also, h1bs + green card holders would be both interested in joining the cause.
say what?
For those of us, who have green cards, we would also like to participate, if we can add an action item to improve citizenship rules. Most of us have waited 10 yrs for green card, and waiting another 5 yrs on top of it is too much.
Also, h1bs + green card holders would be both interested in joining the cause.
say what?
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bnaredla1382
07-14 11:04 AM
I am in EB3 and PD is nov 2003. I am eligible for EB2 and I am feeling sick of EB3 and would like to port to EB2. Is it good idea or not?????
brb2
06-05 09:07 AM
The objection by house members to this bill is the easy way out for the reps, who are in trouble for a million things such as high gas prices, another Vietnam type bogging down in Iraq, high spending on medicare etc. The only way for conservatives to curry favors with their base is to throw in the defense of marriage bill, and do nothing about the CIR. The next few days will be critical for the bill. It dies or goes to the conference where it might come out radically changed.
I am opening a new thread to post all updates on the CIR. It seems today is a crucial day when the house comes in session and work on forming the committee might start. If people hear any updates you can post in this thread.
I read on immigration-law that conservative republications are trying to torpedo the CIR with a new technical legislative argument. It sure is going to be a difficult task to have this bill passed since house has republican majority and they are saying in the media that they will not have the bill passed.
"Report indicates that the House hardliners who opposed the Senate-passed S. 2611 have come up with a weapon to block the House-Senate Conference Committee and the S.2611. The weapon they have hammered out involves a constitutional issue as to whether the provision in S. 2611 that requires guest worker applicants to "pay the back taxes" as condition for the legal status constitutes a federal government's measure to raise the revenue. These hardliners argue that the U.S. Constitution mandates that any legislation to raise revenue for the government must originate in the House and S. 2611 violated the U.S. Constitution by originating such legislative bill in the Senate. When the Congress returns on Monday, there will be a see-saw fight between the S. 2611 proponents and opponents on this legal technicality issue. One wonders how the House hardliners would defend their prior violations in the past in another legislations that involved such legal technicality issues. Besides, there is no clear definition as to whether such back-tax payment requirement indeed constitutes a revenue raising measure. "
I am opening a new thread to post all updates on the CIR. It seems today is a crucial day when the house comes in session and work on forming the committee might start. If people hear any updates you can post in this thread.
I read on immigration-law that conservative republications are trying to torpedo the CIR with a new technical legislative argument. It sure is going to be a difficult task to have this bill passed since house has republican majority and they are saying in the media that they will not have the bill passed.
"Report indicates that the House hardliners who opposed the Senate-passed S. 2611 have come up with a weapon to block the House-Senate Conference Committee and the S.2611. The weapon they have hammered out involves a constitutional issue as to whether the provision in S. 2611 that requires guest worker applicants to "pay the back taxes" as condition for the legal status constitutes a federal government's measure to raise the revenue. These hardliners argue that the U.S. Constitution mandates that any legislation to raise revenue for the government must originate in the House and S. 2611 violated the U.S. Constitution by originating such legislative bill in the Senate. When the Congress returns on Monday, there will be a see-saw fight between the S. 2611 proponents and opponents on this legal technicality issue. One wonders how the House hardliners would defend their prior violations in the past in another legislations that involved such legal technicality issues. Besides, there is no clear definition as to whether such back-tax payment requirement indeed constitutes a revenue raising measure. "
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goosetavo
03-23 03:43 PM
Looks like we have a 4th member from WA going to the event! WOW!
Folks from Microsoft and other companies came together and helped sponsor some of our attendees, how are the rest of you doing?
GO IV!
Folks from Microsoft and other companies came together and helped sponsor some of our attendees, how are the rest of you doing?
GO IV!
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dhirajs98
06-02 08:57 AM
All,
My lawyer received the following RFE during premium process of my PERM I-140 application.
===Here is the text from original RFE========
Submit evidence that alien obtained a true 4 years bachelor degree in Computer Science, Engineering, MIS, Math or Equivalent. Evidence of education must be in form of an official diploma, record/transcript showing all dates of attendance, area of concentration of study, and date of degree award, if any. The evidence submitted shows that the alien completed a three year Bachelor in Science Degree in India
===========
fyi: I have 3 years of B.Sc and 2 Years of Post Graduate Diploma in MIS from India.
Let me know if anyone here has received thia kind of RFE and what could be the best next step to overcome this RFE.
Thanks,
-Dhiraj
My lawyer received the following RFE during premium process of my PERM I-140 application.
===Here is the text from original RFE========
Submit evidence that alien obtained a true 4 years bachelor degree in Computer Science, Engineering, MIS, Math or Equivalent. Evidence of education must be in form of an official diploma, record/transcript showing all dates of attendance, area of concentration of study, and date of degree award, if any. The evidence submitted shows that the alien completed a three year Bachelor in Science Degree in India
===========
fyi: I have 3 years of B.Sc and 2 Years of Post Graduate Diploma in MIS from India.
Let me know if anyone here has received thia kind of RFE and what could be the best next step to overcome this RFE.
Thanks,
-Dhiraj
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nixstor
06-26 06:30 PM
GCby3k,
This has been discussed in 2 or 3 threads and the other member might have followed it and got tired of it. Any ways, I have heard what you said from different people and if dates can become current, they can be retrogressed during the middle of the month. Imagine 40K applications in 10 days. If USCIS accepts 100K applications ( It can be if you count dependents ), it makes them look bad with the number of pending applications. They can very well say Enough, when they hit a predetermined threshold as conveyed by DOS.
All that we can do is try to file as soon as we can.
This has been discussed in 2 or 3 threads and the other member might have followed it and got tired of it. Any ways, I have heard what you said from different people and if dates can become current, they can be retrogressed during the middle of the month. Imagine 40K applications in 10 days. If USCIS accepts 100K applications ( It can be if you count dependents ), it makes them look bad with the number of pending applications. They can very well say Enough, when they hit a predetermined threshold as conveyed by DOS.
All that we can do is try to file as soon as we can.
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GC_Applicant
02-03 12:16 AM
Thanks for offering to help.
Can you explain how does Nasdaq mini or S&P futures differ from stock. My understanding is that technicals are same behind any asset class.
If you could share your charts and explain your strategy, it will be a great help to all of us.
>> ... I would definitely say ..stay away from day trading !!!
Depends on lot of factors. I have been trading for last 10 years. I don't trade stocks. I trade index futures sp500 and Nasdaq mini. It is short term - couple of hours to maximum couple of days. Day Trading requires good analytical skills for technical charts and lot of discipline to follow enter and exit rules.
Taxes are computed differently for futures trading. You will need this IRS form (6781 Gains and Losses From Section 1256 Contracts and Straddles) to file your taxes for trading futures.
>> ... STAY AWAY from all day trading software !!!
I agree. They are mostly snake oil. I suggest - do some reading and follow some indicators and come up with Trading Strategy. It is recommended to do paper trading before starting trading with real money.
>> ... if you cannot take losses (or are happy with normal returns) ...stay away from stocks (except for a small portfolio/ 401 etc) completely
Trading, of course, involves risks. I pick funds for my 401(k). So far it has been good. I was up last year 4.2%. Never had any losing year in 401(k).
There are many tools for technical charting. I use Ninja Trader since it allow to me define new indicators using c# (.net) language.
If anyone is interested, I put my daily charts here. Sorry, I can not disclose my indicators and I don't have anything to sell either.
I can share some trading books, if you are interested.
Disclaimer: Information use only and should not be constructed as an offer to buy or sell any securities. Trading is very risky and is not for everyone.
____________________
Not a legal advice.
US Citizen of Indian Origin
Can you explain how does Nasdaq mini or S&P futures differ from stock. My understanding is that technicals are same behind any asset class.
If you could share your charts and explain your strategy, it will be a great help to all of us.
>> ... I would definitely say ..stay away from day trading !!!
Depends on lot of factors. I have been trading for last 10 years. I don't trade stocks. I trade index futures sp500 and Nasdaq mini. It is short term - couple of hours to maximum couple of days. Day Trading requires good analytical skills for technical charts and lot of discipline to follow enter and exit rules.
Taxes are computed differently for futures trading. You will need this IRS form (6781 Gains and Losses From Section 1256 Contracts and Straddles) to file your taxes for trading futures.
>> ... STAY AWAY from all day trading software !!!
I agree. They are mostly snake oil. I suggest - do some reading and follow some indicators and come up with Trading Strategy. It is recommended to do paper trading before starting trading with real money.
>> ... if you cannot take losses (or are happy with normal returns) ...stay away from stocks (except for a small portfolio/ 401 etc) completely
Trading, of course, involves risks. I pick funds for my 401(k). So far it has been good. I was up last year 4.2%. Never had any losing year in 401(k).
There are many tools for technical charting. I use Ninja Trader since it allow to me define new indicators using c# (.net) language.
If anyone is interested, I put my daily charts here. Sorry, I can not disclose my indicators and I don't have anything to sell either.
I can share some trading books, if you are interested.
Disclaimer: Information use only and should not be constructed as an offer to buy or sell any securities. Trading is very risky and is not for everyone.
____________________
Not a legal advice.
US Citizen of Indian Origin
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logiclife
12-13 01:45 PM
You can also use the "Invite a friend" feature on the homepage menu to invite other people on this site to register and logon.
Its important that people give us their legit email address that they use regularly. We dont spam people and we send out newsletters very rarely. So you can be assured that we will not fill your inbox with junk or such things. But with valid emails, you can be informed of an ongoing webfax or phone campaigns and be active in such activities.
Its important that people give us their legit email address that they use regularly. We dont spam people and we send out newsletters very rarely. So you can be assured that we will not fill your inbox with junk or such things. But with valid emails, you can be informed of an ongoing webfax or phone campaigns and be active in such activities.
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NolaIndian32
04-08 08:32 PM
Thanks for your support Needhelp! I really hope you can come walk the 5k at the Houston event. As I said before, the 5K is a 45 min walk at a moderate pace. And like Santb1975 said, you can reach a goal of 5K in 6-8 weeks.
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susie
11-04 10:54 AM
This would still eliminate many of the children who have already aged out. Their dilemma was due to labor backlogs. Since labor certification is an integral stage in the employment based green card process the initial priority date should be the point at which their age is frozen. The I130 is the initial step for family based green cards, the labor cert is the initial step for employment based, NOT the I140.
I agree, and why I am fighting for an amendment to the CSPA (or dream act to include age out children) to protect ALL children from aging out, not just any one particular group of children. Even people who marry a USC still have their dependent children aging out
I agree, and why I am fighting for an amendment to the CSPA (or dream act to include age out children) to protect ALL children from aging out, not just any one particular group of children. Even people who marry a USC still have their dependent children aging out
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friend_in_NC
06-29 01:19 PM
Thanks for sharing the self filing thread info. I will start exploring that option.
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jonty_11
06-14 02:06 PM
There are no 2 ways to this.. it is injustice and screwed up process of DOL and USCIS.....but the situation (DOL) is no different than 1 day ago. it should not warrant you to start this thread.
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indian111
08-18 02:13 PM
It all abt luck I guess.
I have opened a SR but denied it .
No when I call them , there just recite my status and say i have to wait .
E-filed on may 22
Current EAD expired 09/17
I have opened a SR but denied it .
No when I call them , there just recite my status and say i have to wait .
E-filed on may 22
Current EAD expired 09/17
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abhijitp
07-11 06:39 PM
Pasadena congressman Adam Schiff from CA supports legal immigration. I received an email from him recently stating the same.
"In considering immigration reform, Rep. Schiff has repeatedly stated that he does not believe in amnesty for undocumented aliens, but he does believe that those who have been living in this country -- working and paying taxes -- should be given an opportunity to embark on a lengthy and hard-earned path to citizenship. However, he has made it clear that he does not support immigrants who are here illegally being rewarded for breaking our laws by jumping ahead of those who have sought to enter this country legally."
--C.
Okay, apart from Rep. Lofgren:
1. Pasadena congressman Adam Schiff from CA
2. Sen. Cantwell
3. Sen. Cornyn
Who others should we write to? Is there some IV thread that metions all these names?
Thanks!
"In considering immigration reform, Rep. Schiff has repeatedly stated that he does not believe in amnesty for undocumented aliens, but he does believe that those who have been living in this country -- working and paying taxes -- should be given an opportunity to embark on a lengthy and hard-earned path to citizenship. However, he has made it clear that he does not support immigrants who are here illegally being rewarded for breaking our laws by jumping ahead of those who have sought to enter this country legally."
--C.
Okay, apart from Rep. Lofgren:
1. Pasadena congressman Adam Schiff from CA
2. Sen. Cantwell
3. Sen. Cornyn
Who others should we write to? Is there some IV thread that metions all these names?
Thanks!
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Hassan11
05-02 03:00 PM
Perm applied 08/07/2006 (EB2 Senior Financial Analyst)
Perm denied 08/11/2006
Appeal filed on 09/07/2006
still waiting to hear from Atlanta
Perm denied 08/11/2006
Appeal filed on 09/07/2006
still waiting to hear from Atlanta
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willigetgc?
02-03 01:44 PM
Attended 2010 event.
Plan to attend 2011 advocacy event.
This was in 2007, there is no rally in 2011 (just powerful advocacy from grassroots), but every thing in here holds true today too.....
by chanduv23
Subject: A peaceful rally at Washington DC by Highly Skilled Workers
Immigration Voice (ImmigrationVoice.org - Home (http://www.immigrationvoice.org)) is a non profit
grassroots advocacy group working to alleviate the issues of Highly
Skilled Foreign Workers who are stuck in the Employment Based Green
Card Process stuck in Bureaucratic Logjams.
Immigration Voice is conducting a peaceful rally in Washington DC on
September 18th, 2007 (Tuesday).
You can/must participate in the rally if
(1) You are in various stages of the Green Card Process
(2) Belong to a retrogressed group
(3) Highly Skilled worker (Physicians, Engineers on H1B visa, J1
Waiver, L1 etc�) and planning to apply/already applied for a Green
Card
(4) If your families are divided by backlogs and retrogression.
Thousands of families are being potentially torn apart due to their
kids �aging out�. These children are victims of something they have no
control over and they are constantly forgotten.
(5) Current students studying in various universities (from other
countries) but will be applying for Green Card soon or later
(6) If you already have a Green Card or a Citizen, you can provide
support and encouragement
Please make it a point to attend the rally. Please invite your
friends, relatives, co-workers and colleagues to the Rally. Please
spread this message through mailing lists, media contacts, Orkut and
other social networking media. If you are students, please send this
email to various student organizations. If you work for companies,
please send this message to managers, co-workers, employers etc.
If you are not already a member at Immigration Voice, please become a
member today. It is easy and free!
Please follow this link for more details on the Rally
immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11428
A lot of people may be wondering why should we even bother about this.
Some FAQs
(1) What's all this? Immigration Voice? Rally? Why should I care?
A. There is a political angle to issues that we are all facing. The
system was designed long time back and has not been flexible and with
the actual demand more than the capacity it is in a messed up state.
No one has made attempts to fix the mess and vote bank politics are
creating further mess.
(2) Why no one talks about these things?
a. The nature of this issue is very complex. Unless one falls into
this pit, the nature of this issue cannot be understood
b. A lot of people do not want to handle the truth and reality
c. Perception - without looking at the real picture, lot of people
assume things are fine
(3) Why should I take these issues seriously, my lawyer will take care
of these?
a. Immigration lawyers assist and handle the paperwork, this mess is
beyond their control or scope or even the scope of USCIS and related
government agencies
b. Immigration lawyers are your service providers and you are their
client, they will talk only business to you, there is no need for them
to explain to you the mess you are in
(4) After the July visa bulletin fiasco, I did submit my 485 petition,
and I will get an EAD/AP so why must I bother?
a. EAD/AP were designed to be interim benefits (only for few months
until someone can get a Green Card), their usage has limitations and
will lead to further issues
b. Severe retrogression will hit in coming fiscal years. India, China,
Mexico, Philippines, Eb3, and eb2, and ROW eb3 will all be affected,
c. Anti immigration lobby is targeting H1b tech workers, at the same
time a lot of lobbying organizations are working hard to make the
system unworkable for e.g.. Durbin Grassley amendments may appear
anytime
d. Until you get a Green Card in Hand, EAD is not the best viable
alternative for work and AP is definitely not the best travel
document.
(5) Why Immigration Voice? What is the agenda?
a. Immigration Voice is the only grassroots organization working hard
on these issues
b. Immigration Voice's earlier campaigns were a huge success and sent strong signals to government agencies and law makers
So why not start working on helping yourself and helping your fellow
immigrants?
Please spread the message, and take active interest in the event.
Plan to attend 2011 advocacy event.
This was in 2007, there is no rally in 2011 (just powerful advocacy from grassroots), but every thing in here holds true today too.....
by chanduv23
Subject: A peaceful rally at Washington DC by Highly Skilled Workers
Immigration Voice (ImmigrationVoice.org - Home (http://www.immigrationvoice.org)) is a non profit
grassroots advocacy group working to alleviate the issues of Highly
Skilled Foreign Workers who are stuck in the Employment Based Green
Card Process stuck in Bureaucratic Logjams.
Immigration Voice is conducting a peaceful rally in Washington DC on
September 18th, 2007 (Tuesday).
You can/must participate in the rally if
(1) You are in various stages of the Green Card Process
(2) Belong to a retrogressed group
(3) Highly Skilled worker (Physicians, Engineers on H1B visa, J1
Waiver, L1 etc�) and planning to apply/already applied for a Green
Card
(4) If your families are divided by backlogs and retrogression.
Thousands of families are being potentially torn apart due to their
kids �aging out�. These children are victims of something they have no
control over and they are constantly forgotten.
(5) Current students studying in various universities (from other
countries) but will be applying for Green Card soon or later
(6) If you already have a Green Card or a Citizen, you can provide
support and encouragement
Please make it a point to attend the rally. Please invite your
friends, relatives, co-workers and colleagues to the Rally. Please
spread this message through mailing lists, media contacts, Orkut and
other social networking media. If you are students, please send this
email to various student organizations. If you work for companies,
please send this message to managers, co-workers, employers etc.
If you are not already a member at Immigration Voice, please become a
member today. It is easy and free!
Please follow this link for more details on the Rally
immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11428
A lot of people may be wondering why should we even bother about this.
Some FAQs
(1) What's all this? Immigration Voice? Rally? Why should I care?
A. There is a political angle to issues that we are all facing. The
system was designed long time back and has not been flexible and with
the actual demand more than the capacity it is in a messed up state.
No one has made attempts to fix the mess and vote bank politics are
creating further mess.
(2) Why no one talks about these things?
a. The nature of this issue is very complex. Unless one falls into
this pit, the nature of this issue cannot be understood
b. A lot of people do not want to handle the truth and reality
c. Perception - without looking at the real picture, lot of people
assume things are fine
(3) Why should I take these issues seriously, my lawyer will take care
of these?
a. Immigration lawyers assist and handle the paperwork, this mess is
beyond their control or scope or even the scope of USCIS and related
government agencies
b. Immigration lawyers are your service providers and you are their
client, they will talk only business to you, there is no need for them
to explain to you the mess you are in
(4) After the July visa bulletin fiasco, I did submit my 485 petition,
and I will get an EAD/AP so why must I bother?
a. EAD/AP were designed to be interim benefits (only for few months
until someone can get a Green Card), their usage has limitations and
will lead to further issues
b. Severe retrogression will hit in coming fiscal years. India, China,
Mexico, Philippines, Eb3, and eb2, and ROW eb3 will all be affected,
c. Anti immigration lobby is targeting H1b tech workers, at the same
time a lot of lobbying organizations are working hard to make the
system unworkable for e.g.. Durbin Grassley amendments may appear
anytime
d. Until you get a Green Card in Hand, EAD is not the best viable
alternative for work and AP is definitely not the best travel
document.
(5) Why Immigration Voice? What is the agenda?
a. Immigration Voice is the only grassroots organization working hard
on these issues
b. Immigration Voice's earlier campaigns were a huge success and sent strong signals to government agencies and law makers
So why not start working on helping yourself and helping your fellow
immigrants?
Please spread the message, and take active interest in the event.
sravani
05-15 09:39 AM
Thanks for this useful info. My attorney filed 485 concurrently with 140 last month. The USCIS physician did Skin test instead of X-ray. Do you think I will get an RFE for this?
boreal
01-20 10:34 PM
Total people that have signed up till now is : 154
We have a lot of ground to cover and only 154 members have shown commitment.
The whole retrogression is very depressing if you were to look at numbers and predictions based on the numbers. This is the reason we need to work harder and contribute our time and money for this effort. If we cannot do it this year, then we can easily forget getting a greencard for the next 2 years and more. There will be no immigration bill next year due to presidential election.
This is all the more reason for us to go all out and get the immigration bill passed this year itself. We need all members to help in this effort. We have a strong membership of around 8500 members we can count on for support. However it is sad that only 154 members have thus far contributed in the past 1 week despite all the effort to raise funds. IV is prepared to go all out and get the work done, the question is ARE YOU?
I think we are not reaching all the ppl that we can as of yet. If we can setup booths in front of Indian Community centers in various cities, post flyers at Indian grocery stores etc, we would be able to reach a much wider audience. I think we might be reaching the maximum number of ppl that would contribute who are browsing this web site. No amount of requests would get non-contributers to contribute. So, probably the efforts should be concentrated on getting newer members from outside...
We have a lot of ground to cover and only 154 members have shown commitment.
The whole retrogression is very depressing if you were to look at numbers and predictions based on the numbers. This is the reason we need to work harder and contribute our time and money for this effort. If we cannot do it this year, then we can easily forget getting a greencard for the next 2 years and more. There will be no immigration bill next year due to presidential election.
This is all the more reason for us to go all out and get the immigration bill passed this year itself. We need all members to help in this effort. We have a strong membership of around 8500 members we can count on for support. However it is sad that only 154 members have thus far contributed in the past 1 week despite all the effort to raise funds. IV is prepared to go all out and get the work done, the question is ARE YOU?
I think we are not reaching all the ppl that we can as of yet. If we can setup booths in front of Indian Community centers in various cities, post flyers at Indian grocery stores etc, we would be able to reach a much wider audience. I think we might be reaching the maximum number of ppl that would contribute who are browsing this web site. No amount of requests would get non-contributers to contribute. So, probably the efforts should be concentrated on getting newer members from outside...
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